THEOBALD MESSMER 1640 TYROL & Spouse name unknown at this time
Marrage 1645?
Decendant tree down to 1750 aprox and Schmuck tree
Marrage 1645?
Decendant tree down to 1750 aprox and Schmuck tree
Contributions to the Messner & Messmer family history 2019 -
I have received information from relatives who wish to share their knowledge and have posted this information below;
Sent by Georges Schmuck, France. July 2019;
Georges has researched our family by seeing the actual records in France and was kind enough to send to me for publication and to try and keep the family tree as correct as possible. In this age of "Ancestory & My Heritage" it is far to easy to just copy and paste everyone elses tree and of coarse this leads to many errors, Hopefully more people will also do the actual leg work to confirm their findings by only relying on the actual documents as Georges is able to do.
Many Thanks
Ron Schmuck Canada.
Presented by Georges Schmuck;
Catharina Anger :
.his inventory after death [1737] from which we deduce that she was married a first time with a Messner (But no first name. Some say Jacob, other say Simon, me... I don't know !) of who she had three children : Andrew Messner, John Michael Messner and Jacob Messner. Ans that she was married a second time, with Hans Lohr, without children.
- Anna Doppler :
.an inventory after death concerning her father Hans Doppler [1682] saying that the daughter Anna Doppler is married to Jacob Messner. We do not know which Jacob Messner it is but in any case it is Messner, not Messmer.
But no proof yet that Veronica Messner is their daughter !
- 3.Veronica Messner :
.a marriage promise act, with a parishioner from Roeschwoog : Martin Schmuck of who she will have three children : Michael Schmuck, Eva Schmuck and Joseph Schmuck.
.Inventory after death of Veronica [1753] and Martin [1771], with same informations.
- 3.Petri Messmer :
.his baptism act 20 May 1696 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg, 3E487/2, BMS, 1686-1701, page 51/123]. Act states that his parents are (other) Petri Messmer and Maria Eck, from Surbourg.
.his marriage act 17 November 1721 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg, 3E487/8, M, 1701-1731, page 45/87].with Maria Muller/Wulrich/Ulrich (from Giffers, Switzerland). The act states again that Petri's parents are (other) Petri Messmer and Maria Eck, from Surbourg.
.baptism act of his son Michael Messmer 2 October 1723 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg,, 3E487/4, B, 1720-1757, page 14/265]. Said son Michael coming to marry in Soufflenheim 14 November 1746 with Salomé Metzler [AD Bas-Rhin, Soufflenheim, 3E472/3, M, 1743-1754, page 26/73]. He settles down as potter, creating the Soufflenheim Messmer filiation : Michael Messmer > Joseph Messmer > Vincent Messmer > Marie Anne Messmer, wife of Bernhardt Schmuck.
So, force is to note that 3.Petri Messmer is not in its place at the side of the trio "3.Andrew Messner, 3.John Michael Messner and 3.Jacob Messner" and at the side of "3.Veronica Messmer" !
- Andrew Messner :
.his inventory after death [1737] stating that he was married to Anna Maria Wagner (and their descending lineage).
- John Michael Messner :
.an inventory after death of Margaretha Strack [1761] stating she was married to John Michael Messner (and their descendaing lineage).
- Jacob Messner :
.his inventory after death [1762] stating his two marriages. First one with Anna Maria Hoen (and their descending lineage). Second one with Barbara Wilhelm (and their descending lineage).
Note also that around year 1700 there were also in Soufflenheim, Mathis Messner, Simon Messner, Sebastian/Bastian Messner, Thomas Messner, Paul Messner... whose filiations I am looking for ! But it is not easy because the lack of registers for that period in Soufflenheim.
That's what I can say regarding your document " Tree of Theobald Messmer".
All the best,
Georges
- Catharina Anger :
.his inventory after death [1737] from which we deduce that she was married a first time with a Messner (But no first name. Some say Jacob, other say Simon, me... I don't know !) of who she had three children : Andrew Messner, John Michael Messner and Jacob Messner. Ans that she was married a second time, with Hans Lohr, without children.
- Anna Doppler :
.an inventory after death concerning her father Hans Doppler [1682] saying that the daughter Anna Doppler is married to Jacob Messner. We do not know which Jacob Messner it is but in any case it is Messner, not Messmer.
But no proof yet that Veronica Messner is their daughter !
- 3.Veronica Messner :
.a marriage promise act, with a parishioner from Roeschwoog : Martin Schmuck of who she will have three children : Michael Schmuck, Eva Schmuck and Joseph Schmuck.
.Inventory after death of Veronica [1753] and Martin [1771], with same informations.
- 3.Petri Messmer :
.his baptism act 20 May 1696 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg, 3E487/2, BMS, 1686-1701, page 51/123]. Act states that his parents are (other) Petri Messmer and Maria Eck, from Surbourg.
.his marriage act 17 November 1721 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg, 3E487/8, M, 1701-1731, page 45/87].with Maria Muller/Wulrich/Ulrich (from Giffers, Switzerland). The act states again that Petri's parents are (other) Petri Messmer and Maria Eck, from Surbourg.
.baptism act of his son Michael Messmer 2 October 1723 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg,, 3E487/4, B, 1720-1757, page 14/265]. Said son Michael coming to marry in Soufflenheim 14 November 1746 with Salomé Metzler [AD Bas-Rhin, Soufflenheim, 3E472/3, M, 1743-1754, page 26/73]. He settles down as potter, creating the Soufflenheim Messmer filiation : Michael Messmer > Joseph Messmer > Vincent Messmer > Marie Anne Messmer, wife of Bernhardt Schmuck.
So, force is to note that 3.Petri Messmer is not in its place at the side of the trio "3.Andrew Messner, 3.John Michael Messner and 3.Jacob Messner" and at the side of "3.Veronica Messmer" !
- Andrew Messner :
.his inventory after death [1737] stating that he was married to Anna Maria Wagner (and their descending lineage).
- John Michael Messner :
.an inventory after death of Margaretha Strack [1761] stating she was married to John Michael Messner (and their descendaing lineage).
- Jacob Messner :
.his inventory after death [1762] stating his two marriages. First one with Anna Maria Hoen (and their descending lineage). Second one with Barbara Wilhelm (and their descending lineage).
Note also that around year 1700 there were also in Soufflenheim, Mathis Messner, Simon Messner, Sebastian/Bastian Messner, Thomas Messner, Paul Messner... whose filiations I am looking for ! But it is not easy because the lack of registers for that period in Soufflenheim.
That's what I can say regarding your document " Tree of Theobald Messmer".
All the best,
Georges
- Catharina Anger :
.his inventory after death [1737] from which we deduce that she was married a first time with a Messner (But no first name. Some say Jacob, other say Simon, me... I don't know !) of who she had three children : Andrew Messner, John Michael Messner and Jacob Messner. Ans that she was married a second time, with Hans Lohr, without children.
- Anna Doppler :
.an inventory after death concerning her father Hans Doppler [1682] saying that the daughter Anna Doppler is married to Jacob Messner. We do not know which Jacob Messner it is but in any case it is Messner, not Messmer.
But no proof yet that Veronica Messner is their daughter !
- 3.Veronica Messner :
.a marriage promise act, with a parishioner from Roeschwoog : Martin Schmuck of who she will have three children : Michael Schmuck, Eva Schmuck and Joseph Schmuck.
.Inventory after death of Veronica [1753] and Martin [1771], with same informations.
- 3.Petri Messmer :
.his baptism act 20 May 1696 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg, 3E487/2, BMS, 1686-1701, page 51/123]. Act states that his parents are (other) Petri Messmer and Maria Eck, from Surbourg.
.his marriage act 17 November 1721 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg, 3E487/8, M, 1701-1731, page 45/87].with Maria Muller/Wulrich/Ulrich (from Giffers, Switzerland). The act states again that Petri's parents are (other) Petri Messmer and Maria Eck, from Surbourg.
.baptism act of his son Michael Messmer 2 October 1723 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg,, 3E487/4, B, 1720-1757, page 14/265]. Said son Michael coming to marry in Soufflenheim 14 November 1746 with Salomé Metzler [AD Bas-Rhin, Soufflenheim, 3E472/3, M, 1743-1754, page 26/73]. He settles down as potter, creating the Soufflenheim Messmer filiation : Michael Messmer > Joseph Messmer > Vincent Messmer > Marie Anne Messmer, wife of Bernhardt Schmuck.
So, force is to note that 3.Petri Messmer is not in its place at the side of the trio "3.Andrew Messner, 3.John Michael Messner and 3.Jacob Messner" and at the side of "3.Veronica Messmer" !
- Andrew Messner :
.his inventory after death [1737] stating that he was married to Anna Maria Wagner (and their descending lineage).
- John Michael Messner :
.an inventory after death of Margaretha Strack [1761] stating she was married to John Michael Messner (and their descendaing lineage).
- Jacob Messner :
.his inventory after death [1762] stating his two marriages. First one with Anna Maria Hoen (and their descending lineage). Second one with Barbara Wilhelm (and their descending lineage).
Note also that around year 1700 there were also in Soufflenheim, Mathis Messner, Simon Messner, Sebastian/Bastian Messner, Thomas Messner, Paul Messner... whose filiations I am looking for ! But it is not easy because the lack of registers for that period in Soufflenheim.
That's what I can say regarding your document " Tree of Theobald Messmer".
All the best,
Georges
I have received information from relatives who wish to share their knowledge and have posted this information below;
Sent by Georges Schmuck, France. July 2019;
Georges has researched our family by seeing the actual records in France and was kind enough to send to me for publication and to try and keep the family tree as correct as possible. In this age of "Ancestory & My Heritage" it is far to easy to just copy and paste everyone elses tree and of coarse this leads to many errors, Hopefully more people will also do the actual leg work to confirm their findings by only relying on the actual documents as Georges is able to do.
Many Thanks
Ron Schmuck Canada.
Presented by Georges Schmuck;
Catharina Anger :
.his inventory after death [1737] from which we deduce that she was married a first time with a Messner (But no first name. Some say Jacob, other say Simon, me... I don't know !) of who she had three children : Andrew Messner, John Michael Messner and Jacob Messner. Ans that she was married a second time, with Hans Lohr, without children.
- Anna Doppler :
.an inventory after death concerning her father Hans Doppler [1682] saying that the daughter Anna Doppler is married to Jacob Messner. We do not know which Jacob Messner it is but in any case it is Messner, not Messmer.
But no proof yet that Veronica Messner is their daughter !
- 3.Veronica Messner :
.a marriage promise act, with a parishioner from Roeschwoog : Martin Schmuck of who she will have three children : Michael Schmuck, Eva Schmuck and Joseph Schmuck.
.Inventory after death of Veronica [1753] and Martin [1771], with same informations.
- 3.Petri Messmer :
.his baptism act 20 May 1696 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg, 3E487/2, BMS, 1686-1701, page 51/123]. Act states that his parents are (other) Petri Messmer and Maria Eck, from Surbourg.
.his marriage act 17 November 1721 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg, 3E487/8, M, 1701-1731, page 45/87].with Maria Muller/Wulrich/Ulrich (from Giffers, Switzerland). The act states again that Petri's parents are (other) Petri Messmer and Maria Eck, from Surbourg.
.baptism act of his son Michael Messmer 2 October 1723 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg,, 3E487/4, B, 1720-1757, page 14/265]. Said son Michael coming to marry in Soufflenheim 14 November 1746 with Salomé Metzler [AD Bas-Rhin, Soufflenheim, 3E472/3, M, 1743-1754, page 26/73]. He settles down as potter, creating the Soufflenheim Messmer filiation : Michael Messmer > Joseph Messmer > Vincent Messmer > Marie Anne Messmer, wife of Bernhardt Schmuck.
So, force is to note that 3.Petri Messmer is not in its place at the side of the trio "3.Andrew Messner, 3.John Michael Messner and 3.Jacob Messner" and at the side of "3.Veronica Messmer" !
- Andrew Messner :
.his inventory after death [1737] stating that he was married to Anna Maria Wagner (and their descending lineage).
- John Michael Messner :
.an inventory after death of Margaretha Strack [1761] stating she was married to John Michael Messner (and their descendaing lineage).
- Jacob Messner :
.his inventory after death [1762] stating his two marriages. First one with Anna Maria Hoen (and their descending lineage). Second one with Barbara Wilhelm (and their descending lineage).
Note also that around year 1700 there were also in Soufflenheim, Mathis Messner, Simon Messner, Sebastian/Bastian Messner, Thomas Messner, Paul Messner... whose filiations I am looking for ! But it is not easy because the lack of registers for that period in Soufflenheim.
That's what I can say regarding your document " Tree of Theobald Messmer".
All the best,
Georges
- Catharina Anger :
.his inventory after death [1737] from which we deduce that she was married a first time with a Messner (But no first name. Some say Jacob, other say Simon, me... I don't know !) of who she had three children : Andrew Messner, John Michael Messner and Jacob Messner. Ans that she was married a second time, with Hans Lohr, without children.
- Anna Doppler :
.an inventory after death concerning her father Hans Doppler [1682] saying that the daughter Anna Doppler is married to Jacob Messner. We do not know which Jacob Messner it is but in any case it is Messner, not Messmer.
But no proof yet that Veronica Messner is their daughter !
- 3.Veronica Messner :
.a marriage promise act, with a parishioner from Roeschwoog : Martin Schmuck of who she will have three children : Michael Schmuck, Eva Schmuck and Joseph Schmuck.
.Inventory after death of Veronica [1753] and Martin [1771], with same informations.
- 3.Petri Messmer :
.his baptism act 20 May 1696 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg, 3E487/2, BMS, 1686-1701, page 51/123]. Act states that his parents are (other) Petri Messmer and Maria Eck, from Surbourg.
.his marriage act 17 November 1721 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg, 3E487/8, M, 1701-1731, page 45/87].with Maria Muller/Wulrich/Ulrich (from Giffers, Switzerland). The act states again that Petri's parents are (other) Petri Messmer and Maria Eck, from Surbourg.
.baptism act of his son Michael Messmer 2 October 1723 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg,, 3E487/4, B, 1720-1757, page 14/265]. Said son Michael coming to marry in Soufflenheim 14 November 1746 with Salomé Metzler [AD Bas-Rhin, Soufflenheim, 3E472/3, M, 1743-1754, page 26/73]. He settles down as potter, creating the Soufflenheim Messmer filiation : Michael Messmer > Joseph Messmer > Vincent Messmer > Marie Anne Messmer, wife of Bernhardt Schmuck.
So, force is to note that 3.Petri Messmer is not in its place at the side of the trio "3.Andrew Messner, 3.John Michael Messner and 3.Jacob Messner" and at the side of "3.Veronica Messmer" !
- Andrew Messner :
.his inventory after death [1737] stating that he was married to Anna Maria Wagner (and their descending lineage).
- John Michael Messner :
.an inventory after death of Margaretha Strack [1761] stating she was married to John Michael Messner (and their descendaing lineage).
- Jacob Messner :
.his inventory after death [1762] stating his two marriages. First one with Anna Maria Hoen (and their descending lineage). Second one with Barbara Wilhelm (and their descending lineage).
Note also that around year 1700 there were also in Soufflenheim, Mathis Messner, Simon Messner, Sebastian/Bastian Messner, Thomas Messner, Paul Messner... whose filiations I am looking for ! But it is not easy because the lack of registers for that period in Soufflenheim.
That's what I can say regarding your document " Tree of Theobald Messmer".
All the best,
Georges
- Catharina Anger :
.his inventory after death [1737] from which we deduce that she was married a first time with a Messner (But no first name. Some say Jacob, other say Simon, me... I don't know !) of who she had three children : Andrew Messner, John Michael Messner and Jacob Messner. Ans that she was married a second time, with Hans Lohr, without children.
- Anna Doppler :
.an inventory after death concerning her father Hans Doppler [1682] saying that the daughter Anna Doppler is married to Jacob Messner. We do not know which Jacob Messner it is but in any case it is Messner, not Messmer.
But no proof yet that Veronica Messner is their daughter !
- 3.Veronica Messner :
.a marriage promise act, with a parishioner from Roeschwoog : Martin Schmuck of who she will have three children : Michael Schmuck, Eva Schmuck and Joseph Schmuck.
.Inventory after death of Veronica [1753] and Martin [1771], with same informations.
- 3.Petri Messmer :
.his baptism act 20 May 1696 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg, 3E487/2, BMS, 1686-1701, page 51/123]. Act states that his parents are (other) Petri Messmer and Maria Eck, from Surbourg.
.his marriage act 17 November 1721 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg, 3E487/8, M, 1701-1731, page 45/87].with Maria Muller/Wulrich/Ulrich (from Giffers, Switzerland). The act states again that Petri's parents are (other) Petri Messmer and Maria Eck, from Surbourg.
.baptism act of his son Michael Messmer 2 October 1723 in Surbourg [AD Bas-Rhin, Surbourg,, 3E487/4, B, 1720-1757, page 14/265]. Said son Michael coming to marry in Soufflenheim 14 November 1746 with Salomé Metzler [AD Bas-Rhin, Soufflenheim, 3E472/3, M, 1743-1754, page 26/73]. He settles down as potter, creating the Soufflenheim Messmer filiation : Michael Messmer > Joseph Messmer > Vincent Messmer > Marie Anne Messmer, wife of Bernhardt Schmuck.
So, force is to note that 3.Petri Messmer is not in its place at the side of the trio "3.Andrew Messner, 3.John Michael Messner and 3.Jacob Messner" and at the side of "3.Veronica Messmer" !
- Andrew Messner :
.his inventory after death [1737] stating that he was married to Anna Maria Wagner (and their descending lineage).
- John Michael Messner :
.an inventory after death of Margaretha Strack [1761] stating she was married to John Michael Messner (and their descendaing lineage).
- Jacob Messner :
.his inventory after death [1762] stating his two marriages. First one with Anna Maria Hoen (and their descending lineage). Second one with Barbara Wilhelm (and their descending lineage).
Note also that around year 1700 there were also in Soufflenheim, Mathis Messner, Simon Messner, Sebastian/Bastian Messner, Thomas Messner, Paul Messner... whose filiations I am looking for ! But it is not easy because the lack of registers for that period in Soufflenheim.
That's what I can say regarding your document " Tree of Theobald Messmer".
All the best,
Georges